[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 114205] New: Add a Tabulation Size entry to the style panel

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Bug ID: 114205
Summary: Add a Tabulation Size entry to the style panel
Product: LibreOffice
Version: unspecified
Hardware: All
OS: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
Severity: enhancement
Priority: medium
Component: Writer
Assignee: libreoffice-***@lists.freedesktop.org
Reporter: ***@free.fr

Description:
Currently, a default Tabulation size is defined in the options of Writer (in
General). This option affects the appearance of any (default) tabulation of any
open document.

The appearance, and arrangement, of a specific document should be defined in
the document itself, using its styles, and should not depend on a specific user
setting.

I suggest to add a Tabulation size entry to the style panel.
It should not be mixed with the current entries of the Tabulation tab of the
style panel, which have a different meaning.

The current default Tabulation size entry in the Writer settings should only be
used for the document formats that can not set their own Tabulation size (the
raw TXT format for example, and any raw source code formats).

A default Tabulation size should be defined in the default paragraph style of
the ODT document or OTT model.

Actual Results:


Expected Results:



Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No



Additional Info:
Example:
When pasting source code, which is full of tabulations, it is rather annoying
to not be able to set the tabulation size independently to the Writer general
setting.


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Firefox/52.0

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Buovjaga <***@suomi24.fi> changed:

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Heiko Tietze <***@gmail.com> changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze <***@gmail.com> ---
We are talking about Tools > Options > Writer > Tab stops. On a document level
it is available in every style (Paragraph > Tabs), so it's a WFM for me. The
open document format defines a couple of properties including tabs for
paragraphs so we have to follow this prerequisites. And while exposing the tabs
option is possible I don't think it's required by the average user. Please
define own styles as solution for you request.

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Chris <***@free.fr> changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Chris <***@free.fr> ---
LO version 6.0.6.2 still does not apply the Paragraph Tabs Position setting
correctly.

CURRENTLY:
For example, when I enter the following paragraph..
0
1
2
3
4
.. that contains four levels of tabulations, and I set Format > Paragraph >
Tabs > Position to 10 centimeters, I obtain what is visually similar to that:
0
1
2
3
4

The horizontal length between “3” and “2” wrongly follows the general
tabulation length (defined in Tools > Options > Writer > General > Tab stops).
[ That is one problem. ]
While “1” applies the right paragraph tabulation length (10 cm).
And “2” applies the right paragraph tabulation length once only, for some
(buggy) reasons).

SHOULD BE:
All the tabulation lengths of the paragraph should fit the paragraph “Tabs /
Position”.
We should have 10 cm between “0” and “1”, 2×10 cm between “0” and “2”, etc.

SUGGESTED CORRECTIONS:

1. RENAMING FOR CLARIFICATION. The setting “Position” in the “Tabs” tab of the
Paragraph panel should be renamed “Lengths”, in order to not confuse the user
(and the developers) with the paragraph indentation setting (in the Paragraph
panel, tab “Indent & spacing”, “Before text” setting) that is conceptually
different in LO.

2. DISPLAY PRIORITIES. When displaying a tabulation character (I mean ‘\t’), LO
Writer should search the paragraph tabs lengths (currently named “Position”)
setting first. If, and only if, no tab length is found in the paragraph
properties (including styles), Writer should use the default general tabulation
length (defined in Tools > Options > Writer > General > Tab stops).

3. INFORM THE USER. The general tabulation length (defined in Tools > Options >
Writer > General > Tab stops) should have a Hint/Tip text that explains this
setting is used by default when either the document does not define a tab
length or the document format does not allow setting the tab lengths (example:
TXT raw format). The same information should be added to the documentation.

[ For information, I wasted an hour testing, updating LO, setting it in
English, writing this additional note, etc. for something I already explained
in details the first time and that is obvious. A real reading would be
appreciated this time. After all, the tabulation concept is not new, it was
applied to the typewriters one hundred years ago, although differently from the
programming text editors. Thank you ]

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Xisco Faulí <***@libreoffice.org> changed:

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--- Comment #3 from Xisco Faulí <***@libreoffice.org> ---
You can't confirm your own bugs. Moving it back to UNCONFIRMED until someone
else confirms it.

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Heiko Tietze <***@gmail.com> changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze <***@gmail.com> ---
Regina, what do you think?

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--- Comment #5 from Xisco Faulí <***@libreoffice.org> ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)

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Regina, what do you think?

Ping!

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Dieter Praas <dgp-***@gmx.de> changed:

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107833
[Bug 107833] [META] Writer paragraph style bugs and enhancements