[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 107316] New: Notebookbar keyboard accessibility

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Bug ID: 107316
Summary: Notebookbar keyboard accessibility
Product: LibreOffice
Version: 5.3.2.2 release
Hardware: All
OS: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
Severity: enhancement
Priority: medium
Component: UI
Assignee: libreoffice-***@lists.freedesktop.org
Reporter: ***@uni.sydney.edu.au

Not sure about the direction of the Notebookbar. Ie, whether it is designed to
be an option to fully replace the menubar for those users who want to choose
that (my preference). If it does, keyboard accessibility is required. eg Alt-F
for the File ribbon/panel/slab.

Steps to replicate:
Turn on Notebookbar
Turn off Menubar
Press Alt / Alt-F

Nothing happens

Expected:
Keyboard navigation of Notebookbar

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V Stuart Foote <***@utsa.edu> changed:

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Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
CC| |***@utsa.edu
Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE

--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote <***@utsa.edu> ---


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 102059 ***

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V Stuart Foote <***@utsa.edu> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Priority|medium |high
Status|RESOLVED |NEW
Keywords| |needsUXEval
CC| |***@nouenoff.nl,
| |libreoffice-ux-***@lists
| |.freedesktop.org,
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| |***@gmail.com,
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Resolution|DUPLICATE |---
See Also| |https://bugs.documentfounda
| |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10
| |2059
Ever confirmed|0 |1
Summary|Notebookbar keyboard |MUFFIN needs to provide GUI
|accessibility |keyboard access equal to
| |Menu and Toolbars

--- Comment #2 from V Stuart Foote <***@utsa.edu> ---
@Jay, Syzmon, Samuel, *

Repurposing this rather than reopening bug 102059

We need additional keyboard accelerator navigation. Only supporting the
*minimum* F6 cycling with <TAB> movements for keyboard navigation is limiting
the MUFFIN interfaces compared to Toolbar and Menus.

We are going to need mnemonic accelerators, and maybe even some assigned
shortcuts for the various Notebookbar GUI layout(s) to be comfortable for
keyboard and a11y users.

This in addition to finishing up work on bug 90195 an F10 shortcut for unhiding
the main menu bar.

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Yousuf Philips (jay) <***@hotmail.com> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Depends on| |107343


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107343
[Bug 107343] F10 behaviour when the menu is hidden

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Yousuf Philips (jay) <***@hotmail.com> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Blocks| |101912, 102062
Depends on| |107344
Summary|MUFFIN needs to provide GUI |[META] Accessibility (a11y)
|keyboard access equal to |in the Notebookbar
|Menu and Toolbars |
Alias| |Notebookbar-a11y

--- Comment #3 from Yousuf Philips (jay) <***@hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #2)

Post by b***@bugs.documentfoundation.org
Repurposing this rather than reopening bug 102059

Better to repurpose this as a meta bug for all a11y issue for notebookbar and
open up individual issues for various issues that need to be resolved.

Post by b***@bugs.documentfoundation.org
We need additional keyboard accelerator navigation. Only supporting the
*minimum* F6 cycling with <TAB> movements for keyboard navigation is
limiting the MUFFIN interfaces compared to Toolbar and Menus.

You seem to be confusing MUFFIN with Notebookbar quite a bit, as we have 4
MUFFIN interfaces (default, single, sidebar, notebookbar) and 3 Notebookbar
interfaces (tabbed, single, groups). Of these 7 interfaces, only 1 doesnt have
a menu bar - tabbed Notebookbar - so i would assume this issue would be limited
to it.

Post by b***@bugs.documentfoundation.org
We are going to need mnemonic accelerators, and maybe even some assigned
shortcuts for the various Notebookbar GUI layout(s) to be comfortable for
keyboard and a11y users.

Mnemonic accelerators for the tab? Not sure what you meant by 'shortcuts for
the various Notebookbar GUI layout(s)'.

Post by b***@bugs.documentfoundation.org
This in addition to finishing up work on bug 90195 an F10 shortcut for
unhiding the main menu bar.

I've filed bug 107343 to handle that issue.

(In reply to Brian H from comment #0)

Post by b***@bugs.documentfoundation.org
Turn on Notebookbar
Turn off Menubar
Press Alt / Alt-F

I've filed bug 107344 to deal with the Alt key.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101912
[Bug 101912] [META] Accessibility (a11y) bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102062
[Bug 102062] [META] Notebookbar: bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107344
[Bug 107344] Use Alt key combination to access tabbed Notebookbar tabs

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--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote <***@utsa.edu> ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #3)

Post by b***@bugs.documentfoundation.org
You seem to be confusing MUFFIN with Notebookbar quite a bit, as we have 4
MUFFIN interfaces (default, single, sidebar, notebookbar) and 3 Notebookbar
interfaces (tabbed, single, groups). Of these 7 interfaces, only 1 doesnt
have a menu bar - tabbed Notebookbar - so i would assume this issue would be
limited to it.

No confusion--MUFFIN is generic to the new Glade UI interfaces extending the
GUI--they need to be fully functional for keyboard navigation.

Post by b***@bugs.documentfoundation.org

Post by b***@bugs.documentfoundation.org
We are going to need mnemonic accelerators, and maybe even some assigned
shortcuts for the various Notebookbar GUI layout(s) to be comfortable for
keyboard and a11y users.

Mnemonic accelerators for the tab? Not sure what you meant by 'shortcuts for
the various Notebookbar GUI layout(s)'.

Accelerators are more "dynamic" <Alt> mod-key bound, with l10n auto-assignment
frequently used. While short-cuts are more static and use a mix of the mod-keys
<Alt>, <Ctrl>, <Shift> and the <Fn> keys.

Shortcuts would be appropriate for some controls in the various Notebookbar
configurations, and probably kept consistent with those controls in the other
MUFFIN layouts.

When to assign a short-cut rather than an mnemonic accelerator?--flexible but
likely just the top level actions across the GUI.

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--- Comment #5 from Yousuf Philips (jay) <***@hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #4)

Post by b***@bugs.documentfoundation.org
No confusion--MUFFIN is generic to the new Glade UI interfaces extending the
GUI--they need to be fully functional for keyboard navigation.

Nope it isnt. MUFFIN is the arrangement presets of UI elements.

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/12/21/the-document-foundation-announces-the-muffin-a-new-tasty-user-interface-concept-for-libreoffice/

Post by b***@bugs.documentfoundation.org
Accelerators are more "dynamic" <Alt> mod-key bound, with l10n
auto-assignment frequently used. While short-cuts are more static and use a
mix of the mod-keys <Alt>, <Ctrl>, <Shift> and the <Fn> keys.

Wasnt really asking for an explanation, was looking for what you wanted to have
the mnemonic accelerators on?

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Yousuf Philips (jay) <***@hotmail.com> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Depends on| |107358


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107358
[Bug 107358] Temporarily unhide the menu bar when hidden with Alt

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Volga <***@outlook.com> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Depends on| |102378


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102378
[Bug 102378] Notebookbar should provide an optional interface for touch screen

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V Stuart Foote <***@utsa.edu> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Depends on| |109425


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109425
[Bug 109425] libreoffice notebookbar menu is not accessible for screen reader
users.

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V Stuart Foote <***@utsa.edu> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Depends on| |102059


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102059
[Bug 102059] NotebookBar not accessible with F6

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Severity|enhancement |major

--- Comment #6 from V Stuart Foote <***@utsa.edu> ---
Hey, going to bump this hard. With talk of bringing Notebookbar out of
experimental status and claiming it is "finished" for Writer--very clearly it
is not yet as accessibility of this MUFFIN development is not up to par with
work done on the Sidebar or legacy Toolbars.

Notably bug 109425, but lack of standard shortcuts and mnemonic assignments
makes keyboard only navigation through this now experimental GUI troublesome,
and unsuitable as AT tools support.

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Keywords|needsUXEval |accessibility

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Priority|highest |high
CC| |***@libreoffice.org

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--- Comment #7 from V Stuart Foote <***@utsa.edu> ---
With talk of NB coming out of experimental mode for 6.1, sadly all Notebook bar
modes remain completely hidden from Assistive Technology tools because they
have not been created with associated accessible events.

Navigation into the NB with F6 goes silent to screen readers. It is a black
hole for folks working from keyboard without benefit of sight to drive a mouse.

Ctrl+F6 to move focus to document canvas and then F10 (when menu bar is active)
is currently the only way for AT dependent users to recover their bearings, not
very usable a11y support.

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V Stuart Foote <***@utsa.edu> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Depends on| |121401


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121401
[Bug 121401] Notebookbar F6 + Tab didn't work

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What |Removed |Added
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Depends on| |121586
CC| |***@gmail.com


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121586
[Bug 121586] notebookbar tabbed switch with keyboard shortcut to different tab

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Bug 107316 depends on bug 121401, which changed state.

Bug 121401 Summary: Notebookbar F6 + Tab didn't work
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121401

What |Removed |Added
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Status|NEW |RESOLVED
Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME